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The controversial Mother and Baby homes bill may have been signed into Irish law by the country's president Michael D Higgins but the debate around it hasn't gone away.
There remains plenty of friction over whether those seeking information about themselves will have to wait 30 years until their records are unsealed .
Such homes were established in the 19th and 20th centuries to house women and girls who became pregnant outside of marriage.
Their children more often than not adopted or spent time in orphanages.
It is a both a confused and confusing issue.
At its heart are sometimes conflicting rights - including privacy, governed by different pieces of legislation, with worries about General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) thrown in for extra measure.
The Mother and Baby Homes Commission, which is due to issue its final report on Friday, was set up under the 2004 Commission of Investigations Act, which says that records must be kept under wraps for 30 years.
Part of the thinking behind this act was to cut costs and allow those giving evidence to a commission to do so without challenge and without legal representation.
Their evidence, often given in private and confidentially, was simply listened to.
Now that the Mother and Baby Homes bill is law, the estimated 60,000 digitalised files on the database of the commission, largely gathered from the records of Mother and Baby Homes over its five-year investigation, will be handed over to the National Archive and the child and family agency Tusla.
But campaigners and some of those seeking more information about their own life story, including their natural mother and their adoption, believe that sealing the records will deny them an opportunity to find out more about themselves and their history.
Ministers have repeated that it was never their intention to allow a dark period of Irish history to continue to be swept under the carpet or to deny people their rights.
They believe that with cross-party parliamentary support it should be possible very quickly to allay the concerns of those affected.
But those seeking their records are far from convinced and this is an issue that may well still end up in the courts.





Fintan Dunne

February 9 at 1:26 PM

SINN FEIN TRANSFERS KILL OFF KATHERINE ZAPPONE'S DAIL BID

- by Fintan Dunne


"Solidarity PBP TD Paul Murphy has just picked up 3,444 transfers from Sinn Féin's Seán Crowe in Dublin South-West. By comparison independent TD Katherine Zappone received just 433 of Crowe's transfers.

"That second count outcome gives Murphy a 3,000 vote boost in the race for the last seat - a gap Zappone is very unlikely to close.

"As Minister for Children, Katherine Zappone badly mishandled the Commission of Investigation - which is yet to report after five years. She also oversaw a Fine Gael stonewalling of survivors justice and truth rights.

"In the final week of campaigning, Mother and Baby Homes survivors protested in Dublin South-West - with placards urging voters to DUMP ZAPPONE. And the wise electorate of Dublin SW have agreed.

"Good riddance Zappone.

"For a feminist, you were no help to our Irish First Mothers.


'Magdalene survivor takes case to UN torture committee'

'State is being investigated over its treatment of Elizabeth Coppin (70) in landmark case'


38 minutes ago


Magdalene survivor takes case to UN torture committee
State is being investigated over its treatment of Elizabeth Coppin (70) in landmark case
www.irishtimes.com

By Kitty Holland Social Affairs Correspondent


"The UN Committee Against Torture has begun an investigation into the State’s treatment of Elizabeth Coppin (70) which could have implications for the State’s approach to historical abuse. It is a landmark case, being the first before the committee from a Magdalene survivor.

"Originally from Listowel, Co Kerry, Ms Coppin was born to an unmarried woman (19) in a Killarney mother-and-baby home in 1949.

[…]

"The Government was notified by the committee it was admitting Ms Coppin’s case on 20th January.

The Department of Foreign Affairs are taking the lead on co-ordinating a response and a number of departments will be required to provide input,” a Department of Justice spokesman said. “The deadline for providing a response is 20th May, 2020,” he added.

Cardinal Pell’s appeal of abuse conviction to be heard March 11-12
Feb 16, 2020

Cardinal Pell's appeal of abuse conviction to be heard March 11-12
Cardinal George Pell will have his last chance to have his conviction for sexually abusing two 13-year old choirboys overturned when his lawyers plead his case to the High Court of Australia March 11-12.
cruxnow.com

Michael Sainsbury
CATHOLIC NEWS SERVICE

"YANGON, Myanmar - Cardinal George Pell will have his last chance to have his conviction for sexually abusing two 13-year old choirboys overturned when his lawyers plead his case to the High Court of Australia March 11-12.

"But the full bench of Australia’s highest court - either five or all seven justices - will take several months, at least, to determine the fate of the former senior adviser to Pope Francis.

[…]

"If the High Court fails to overturn the verdict of a 12-person jury that found him guilty of four counts of sexual assault and one count of child rape, Pell, 78, will spend at least 32 more months in prison.

[…]

"Regardless of the High Court’s decision, Pell is facing at least three civil lawsuits brought against him for historical sexual abuse by people claiming to be victims or their families if they are deceased.

Starry:

Further, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse's unredacted Final Report about Ballarat Diocese was delayed so it wouldn't prejudice George Pell's current or future criminal or civil proceedings. 60 pages of the report were redacted. This is about the paedophile ring in Ballarat - includes Australia's most infamous serial sex abuser Fr Gerald Ridsdale (65 known victims), etc.

George Pell boarded with Fr Ridsdale at St Alipius Presbytery, Ballarat. There was a paedophile ring at St Alipius Primary School (all the male teachers and chaplain Fr Gerald Ridsdale). As many as a third of students in a Grade 4 class at St Alipius Primary School later suicided.


https://twitter.com/SAFEIreland

Safe Ireland National Social Change Agency CLG@SAFEIreland
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This report exposes, yet again, the enormous prevalence and patterns of domestic violence in this country exacerbated by a pandemic that locked women’s and families down with their abuser.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmdPKCoXYAAXsau?format=jpg&name=medium


Safe Ireland National Social Change Agency CLG@SAFEIreland
21m
We need clarity now a- clarity of budget and resources, and clarity on how the government is planning to respond in a comprehensive and meaningful way to the enormous problem of domestic violence that this study has tracked.


Safe Ireland National Social Change Agency CLG@SAFEIreland
21m
The government consistently name-checks domestic and sexual violence as a priority concern. But calling something a priority means that it also has to be resourced and funded as a priority.


Safe Ireland National Social Change AgencyCLG@SAFEIreland


What this study also underscores is the enormous strains that domestic violence services throughout the country are under and have been under - since the start of this crisis, but in reality for years and decades.


'Domestic violence services report rise in first time calls by women'
By Ailbhe Conneely Social Affairs & Religion Corresponden
Updated / Tuesday, 10 Nov 2020 08:30
Increase in first time calls by women to abuse services

Nearly 3,500 women contacted a domestic violence service for the first time between March and August this year, according to a new report by Safe Ireland.

The report is based on data collected from 39 domestic violence services nationwide.

…. Safe Ireland said at least 1,970 women and 411 children received support from a domestic violence service in that period.

…. The report shows that 575 women and 98 children - who had never as far as is known, contacted a domestic violence service before - contacted services every month in that time.
 

Catalpa

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It's Legal minefield starry

- contrary to myth many of those mothers didn't want the child - 'a mistake' - and willingly signed it away on the basis that they could not be contacted ever again without prior consent.

I can't really see any satisfactory outcome here that will satisfy everybody TBH.
 

Catalpa

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I got this message on my gmail today:

The Trump replied to a thread you are watching at Politics Isle

MOTHER AND BABY HOMES BILL

STEAL MY THREAD WOULD YA/

FUCK YOU


Can anyone explain what's going on here?
 

DS86DS

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I got this message on my gmail today:

The Trump replied to a thread you are watching at Politics Isle

MOTHER AND BABY HOMES BILL

STEAL MY THREAD WOULD YA/

FUCK YOU


Can anyone explain what's going on here?

You got that on your Gmail account??
 

DS86DS

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I've merged the other thread into here in case it was actually stolen. It was posted here by TheTrump a day or two ago.

Did you catch the email by any chance?
 

Catalpa

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I've merged the other thread into here in case it was actually stolen. It was posted here by TheTrump a day or two ago.

Did you catch the email by any chance?

it says

Mother and Baby Homes Bill - New reply to watched thread

There is a Big Yellow Warning:

Be careful with this message
Gmail could not verify that it actually came from ds86ire@gmail.com. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments or replying with personal information.

Report spamReport phishing
 

DS86DS

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it says

Mother and Baby Homes Bill - New reply to watched thread

There is a Big Yellow Warning:

Be careful with this message
Gmail could not verify that it actually came from ds86ire@gmail.com. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments or replying with personal information.

Report spamReport phishing

Ah, I think it might be a notification. There was a poster here called TheTrump who spammed the site with hundreds of messages earlier today.

It would always be recommended to use a throwaway email address in order that one's main email address isn't clogged up with notification updates from the forum.
 
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Main points of the report:


  • 56,000 women were incarcerated, 5,616 of them under 18. Some were as young as 12
  • Approximately 9,000 of the 57,000 babies born in these homes died
  • Ireland had the world's highest proportion of women sent to mother & baby homes in the 20th century
  • In the 1930s and 1940s, 40% of babies in the institutions died before their first birthdays
  • 75% of the children born in Bessborough in 1943 died in their first year. In that same year, 62% of babies born in the Bethany Home died
  • From 1946-55 mother and baby homes accounted for 39.6% of deaths of 'illegitimate' children
  • No findings of widespread physical abuse despite a number of testimonies of beatings and brutality
  • Childbirth was traumatic with poor medical assistance
  • Recommends a referendum to change the law to allow adoptees find their families


 

roc_

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Disgraceful how they're all trying to close ranks on politicalirish.com, deny the abuse, deny the findings, twist the narrative, invent an alternative reality, hold up the tiny handful of ultra catholic deviant priests and their enablers who agree with them . Could it get any worse on there.
 

DS86DS

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Taoiseach and Archbishop of Tuam issue apologies over Mother and baby homes scandal.



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Mowl

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Who is he?

David Quinn? Irish Times journalist, works in cahoots with Breda O'Brien, both members of the Iona Institute, both of them swivel-eyed ultra-Catholics, and both in desperate need of massive boots up the hole. O'Brien is some crank - but Quinn? The type of cunt who'd remind you of Dengler and Clamp.

Catholic scumbags, both of them - in fact: all four of them.

Disgraceful how they're all trying to close ranks on politicalirish.com, deny the abuse, deny the findings, twist the narrative, invent an alternative reality, hold up the tiny handful of ultra catholic deviant priests and their enablers who agree with them . Could it get any worse on there.

Being banned from PIsh at IP has it's upsides.
 
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