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The sharing of hate speech on social media is to become a criminal offence

Colm

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The sharing of hate speech on social media is to become a criminal offence under Government proposals to combat racism and bigotry.

This will mean that the sharing or retweeting of hateful speech on platforms such as Facebook and Twitter will be a crime, even if the person sharing it was not the author.





Given fears about the rights to free speech, it will contain several safeguards to ensure the laws do not unnecessarily impinge on the constitutional right to freedom of expression. Chief among these is a recommendation of protections for “contributions to literary, artistic, political, scientific or academic discourse, and fair and accurate reporting”, the report states.


Draft Legislation proposal is been released later today.
 

DS86DS

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No doubt they will be targeting these forums next - Pish in particular. While hatred is never nice, there could well be dark days ahead for freedom of speech and expression.
 
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Colm

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No doubt they will be targeting these forums next - Pish in particular. While hatred is never nice, there could well be dark days ahead for freedom of speech and expression.


Yeah I would assume that it also includes any websites and not just social media in that.
It will be interesting what teh draft says later anyway when it is published.
 

DS86DS

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This site is hosted out in Arizona, not sure if that would help out in the long term.

No doubt soon there will some way out moves where forums such as this are obligated to have a government appointed moderator on board to check for content. It may seem far out there, but stranger things have happened. That said, this place is small fish in comparison to Political Irish.
 
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This site is hosted out in Arizona, not sure if that would help out in the long term.

No doubt soon there will some way out moves where forums such as this are obligated to have a government appointed moderator on board to check for content. It may seem far out there, but stranger things have happened. That said, this place is small fish in comparison to Political Irish.

Yeah i'm not sure how the hosting location works,I see that Facebook are pulling there U.K. users out of Ireland to avoid GDPR

 

Thus

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Pish, Stormfront, GPO and Soviet.ie could be in serious trouble.
English James for one, is someone that could be targeted.
 
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Verooka

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It's long past time these social media platforms were treated as publishers
rather than as service providers under the law, as they clearly show political bias
in the filtering of their content.
 

DS86DS

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Yeah i'm not sure how the hosting location works,I see that Facebook are pulling there U.K. users out of Ireland to avoid GDPR


Would that not be bad for Facebook members? There was an episode back in the day over FB hysteria which was fairly good. It's on APV as well.





 
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Colm

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Minister McEntee launches findings of public consultation on Hate Speech and Hate Crime and commits to drafting new Legislation

- Minister McEntee launches findings of wide ranging consultation which received over 3,600 submissions


- Consultation report is an important step towards new hate crime laws for Ireland


- Minister commits to bring Draft Legislation to Cabinet by Easter


Public Consultation Findings

Drawing on the findings from the public consultation, as well as the qualitative data gathered in the stakeholder workshops, the report proposes ten conclusions:


1. The 1989 Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act is not effective in dealing with incitement to hatred and should be replaced by a single piece of legislation to deal with both incitement to hatred and hate crime.

2. The characteristics protected by the new legislation should include all of those listed in the 1989 Act, and also gender, gender expression or identity, and disability.

3. The definition of ‘ethnicity’ in the new legislation should explicitly include membership of the Travelling Community on the same footing as other ethnicities.

4. New offences of incitement to hatred are needed and should prohibit:

(i) deliberately or recklessly inciting hatred against a person or group of people due to their association with a protected characteristic; and,

(ii) displaying or distributing material inciting hatred.

5. The new legislation should contain robust safeguards for freedom of expression, such as protections for reasonable and genuine contributions to literary, artistic, political, scientific or academic discourse, and fair and accurate reporting.

6. Thresholds for criminal incitement to hatred should be high, for example incitement to harm or unlawful discrimination, However, it should not be necessary to show that anyone was actually influenced by the incitement or persuaded to act upon it.

7. A company accused of displaying or distributing hateful material should be able to defend itself by showing that it has reasonable measures in place to prevent dissemination of this type of material in general, was complying with those measures at the time, was unaware, and had no reason to suspect that this particular content was inciteful.

8. To be meaningful, the new legislation must also deal effectively with hate crime. Threatening and abusive communications, criminal damage, harassment, assault and intimidation are all common forms of hate crime as described by participants in this consultation and specific, aggravated forms of existing criminal offences should be included in the legislation to deal with these and ensure that such crimes are properly categorised and recorded.

9. Additional elements may be needed to help ensure the new legislation is effective, such as allowing alternative verdicts for juries where the aggravating ‘hate’ element is not proven, and including a general provision (for crimes that are not specific hate offences) to say that a court will always consider whether hate should be an aggravating factor in sentence and, where it is, that this will be reflected in the record.

10. Not every hate incident is serious enough to be a crime - many incidents are better dealt with outside the criminal sphere and proper measures to ensure this happens will be needed.


What about the fundamental right to freedom of expression?

All legislative proposals are developed and put forward bearing in mind the provisions of the Constitution and our human rights obligations including those contained in the European Convention on Human Rights Act 2003.

The right to freedom of expression will therefore be fully considered in the development and drafting of any new legislation by the Office of the Attorney General.


 

Clanrickard

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Ok it is not going to be as bad as the British one but still too varied. They are it seems going to put in an objective test for what is hate which is some small consolation.
 
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Colm

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How do you define Hate speech?

It basically is one of those laws that will require to be a blunt instrument,sometimes it will work other times it won't for the greater good of the majority of people who suffer it to be protected would be my guess,the same as a lot of other laws we have.
 
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Verooka

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This is just a power grab. It will be used to silence internet chatter.
Politicians are happy for us to pay all our taxes into their pensions and eye watering undeserved salaries
but we can't be bitching about them on the internet.
 
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Colm

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This is just a power grab. It will be used to silence internet chatter.
Politicians are happy for us to pay all our taxes into their pensions and eye watering undeserved salaries
but we can't be bitching about them on the internet.
GDPR really was that
 

roc_

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Who is saying that Israel's atrocities are the same as those committed by the názis? I'm certainly not.
I only blame Israel and zionism for the acts that they themselves have demonstrably committed on others. Nothing more...
Just a quick selection. And maybe you never said the word "nazi", you are far from the worst of them, but you are definitely painting the exact same pictures that the "anti-zionist" movement strives to continually paint, the exact same steretypes.

They only believe in their own right to tribal dominance of the rest of humanity or "goyim" as they refer to us as. And they will resort to any kind of dirty political, financial and military manoeuvring and even mass murder whenever required to eventually achieve that long term goal.
Zionists may kill us all in WWIII thinking it will ingratiate them with their non existent god for whom they are the chosen people.
... Good little Zionists on the other hand prefer places where children's little penises hang out.
So they can slice their knobs then suck them! :p
As to the usual accusations you then rattle off, I will not go into them again in depth, suffice to say, the whole truth is a lot more involved than what the slogans suggest, and to do justice one must get past those slogans and stereotyped images.
 
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